Anti-global heating claims - a reasonably thorough debunking

[Updated 9/15/07: Added myths #19 & #20, climate predictions aren't possible and volcanoes emit more CO2 than people, respectively]
[Updated 9/14/07: Updated Myths #4, 8, 10, & 13]

The Earth is heating up, and human beings burning fossil fuels are the dominant cause. It’s not ocean warming that dominates, it’s not cosmic rays, it’s not variations in the Earth’s orbit and tilt toward the sun (Milankovitch cycles), it’s not solar irradiance - it’s us. But there is a very vocal minority that refuses to believe global heating (the severity of the problem requires more urgent language, and besides, 105 degrees isn’t warmer than 100, it’s hotter) is real.

Global heating deniers fall back on a variety of myths in order to buttress their position. These myths vary from logical fallacies to pseudoscience to poor math to scientifically valid but disproved hypotheses. Yet every single claim against global heating I’ve found has been debunked at one time or another, and at this point, the only hypothesis that fits all the data is that human civilization is heating up the planet.

I’ve gathered the top anti-global heating myths into the following list and provided a reasonably thorough debunking for every one. I’ve focused only on the scientific claims because they can be addressed with data, and there are probably a few I’ve missed that I’ll happily tackle in the comments as needed. There were a number of claims that tied together, so I addressed them all at once rather than independently. And if I could quote references that weren’t the IPCC Working Group I: The Physical Basis for Climate Change detailed report (not the summary for policymakers), I did - too many people reject the IPCC out of hand and it’s always better to use the original source if it’s available.

Table of Contents
Myth #1: All the CO2 in the air at present comes from the mantle.
Myth #2: Increasing CO2 in the air is due to gases coming out of solution as the ocean heats up.
Myth #3: Humans are not the source of the recent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration.
Myth #4: CO2 is rising at 0.38% per year, not 1% per year as the IPCC Third Assessment Report claimed.
Myth #5: CO2 is such a weak greenhouse gas that it cannot be the cause of the observed warming.
Myth #6: CO2 concentrations are not correlated with global temperature due to periods in the geologic history when CO2 was higher and the planet was in an ice age.
Myth #7: Temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period were warmer than modern temperatures.
Myth #8: The existence of the Medieval Warm Period has been ignored in order to support anthropogenic global heating.
Myth #9: Modern temperature increases are a direct result of the Earth’s climate exiting the Little Ice Age.
Myth #10: Global cooling between 1940 and 1970 happened even though anthropogenic CO2 was rising at
Myth #11: Cosmic rays hitting the earth are behind global heating.
Myth #12: The Stefan-Boltzman law breaks the equations of global heating.
Myth #13: Computer models are too inaccurate to accurately predict a system as complex as the Earth’s climate.
Myth #14: The oceanic storage of heat is required to account for the differences between data and early models. But the updated models still require an unrealistically large oceanic depth of water to make them work right.
Myth #15: The oceans have already begun to cool in response to natural variations, so global heating is wrong.
Myth #16: Satellite measurements of tropical air don’t correspond to directly measured temperatures, so global heating isn’t actually happening.
Myth #17: Global heating will be good for the planet, not bad.
Myth #18: Water vapor is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, and since humans have almost no direct impact on the amount of water vapor in the air, humans can’t be the cause of global heating.
Myth #19: We don’t have enough climate data to make valid predictions of any kind.
Myth #20: Volcanoes spew more CO2 into the air in a single eruption than humanity has emitted in its history.

 


DENIAL MYTH #1: The source of all the CO2 in the air is outgassing from the mantle (Source: George V. Chilingar’s (of the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, University of Southern California) paper titled On global forces of nature driving the Earth’s climate. Are humans involved?).
Debunking: This theory proposes that the bulk of the CO2 in the air and oceans today is a direct result of outgassing from the Earth’s mantle, not from human consumption of fossil fuels. The key piece is this:

Recalculating this amount into the total anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission in grams of CO2, one obtains the estimate 1.003×1018 g, which constitutes less than 0.00022% of the total CO2 amount naturally degassed from the mantle during geologic history. Comparing these figures, one can conclude that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emission is negligible (indistinguishable) in any energy-matter transformation processes changing the Earth’s climate. (emphasis mine)

In essence, Prof. Chilingar is claiming that anthropogenic (human sourced) CO2 has had a negligible impact on the atmosphere over the last hundred years or so and will have no impact over next few hundred years because we are adding a fraction of the total CO2 outgassed by the mantle over the course of the last 4.5 billion years. Unfortunately, as W. Aeschbach-Hertig, of the Institute of Environmental Physics, University of Heidelberg, says in his rebuttal, there is at least one major error, like the fact that the modern atmosphere had only about 3×1018 g of CO2 in it (not the full amount every outgassed by the mantle, which is 100,000x greater), so adding 1×1018 g of new CO2 is a massive percentage change (~33%). In addition, time scales matter here - increasing the amount of CO2 by 33% over the course of a few decades would overwhelm any system (like the Earth’s climate) that has a time constant of centuries. Finally, Prof. Chilingar appeared to attack global heating by concluding that direct heating of the air by human activity (aircraft air friction, power plant thermal plumes, etc.) couldn’t possibly cause the observed heating - which every serious climate scientist (Prof. Chilingar is a petroleum scientist) would agree with completely. Climate scientists say that the greenhouse effect is the cause of global heating, not direct heating by human activity. (source above)

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DENIAL MYTH #2: The source of the CO2 in the air is thermal heating of the ocean causing dissolved gases like CO2 to come out of solution and enter the atmosphere (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton as well as others).
Debunking: The main idea here is that, if you overlay CO2 concentration data from ice cores with temperature data, you notice that CO2 has always lagged after temperature. Because hot water cannot store as much dissolved gas as cold water can (this is fundamental physics), the data could lead people to reasonably conclude that the ocean is the source of the CO2 in the air and always has been. Unfortunately, there are three problems with this argument. The first is the aforementioned “predictive appeal to history” logical fallacy - just because CO2 has lagged after temperature in the past doesn’t mean it always will (or is this time - it isn’t). The second is that this theory has been tested and been found incorrect.

If heating oceans were the source of the CO2 in today’s atmosphere, we could expect a historical trend of dropping CO2 concentrations in the oceans, yet we see the exact opposite - CO2 concentrations in the ocean have increased even as their temperature has risen, driving down ocean pH (making it more acidic) and will continue to do so (source: Impacts of Anthropogenic CO2 on Ocean Chemistry and Biology, NOAA). In addition, if a hotter ocean were the source of CO2, oxygen would be coming out of solution as well, yet the concentration of oxygen in the atmosphere is actually decreasing, not increasing (sources: Environmental Chemistry.com’s CO2 Pollution and Global Warming page and IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 2, pages 138-139).

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DENIAL MYTH #3: We don’t know for sure where the added CO2 in the atmosphere is coming from, but it’s not from human consumption of fossil fuels (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: We know exactly where the added CO2 is coming from, and it most certainly is from human activity (mostly the burning of fossil fuels, but some is from industry and slash-and-burn deforestation for agriculture). Carbon has two stable isotopes (atomic weights), C12 and C13. Plants prefer to use C12 over C13 (it takes slightly less energy to bond to C12 than to C13), so the naturally occurring ratio of the two isotopes is skewed toward C12 in plants. All fossil fuels were originally plants, and so if the C12/C13 ratio in the atmosphere is changing toward increased concentrations of C12, then the source of the new CO2 must be plants. In addition, since animal respiration isn’t enough to skew the C12/C13 ratio and simultaneously affect the concentration of CO2 and oxygen in the atmosphere, the source must be fossil fuels. (sources: Environmental Chemistry.com’s CO2 Pollution and Global Warming page and IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 2, pages 138-139)

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DENIAL MYTH #4: CO2 rates are rising only 0.38% per year, not the 1% per year called out in the Third IPCC assessment report (TAR) (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton as well as others).
Debunking: Basically, this claim was used by Mr. Monckton to attack the validity of the TAR’s assessment. I was unable to find the exact data that Mr. Monckton used, so I’ll use the fourth assessment’s (AR4) data to make a point about how this error could have been made by Mr. Monckton. The average rate of change of the atmospheric concentration of CO2 over the last 250 years has been about 0.14% per year (100 ppm change, ~280 ppm starting point, and the change occurred over 250 years), but rate of change has not been constant. In fact, the average rate of change since ~1960 has been about 0.50% per year, and the average rate of change since 1995 has been about 0.68% per year. And if you look at the middle left graph in Figure 3.2 of the IPCC Working Group 1 TAR Chapter 3, on page 201 (shown above), you’ll see that the actual graph of the data looks almost identical to the equivalent IPCC AR4 graph (Figure 1, FAQ2.1, page 135, shown at the left) and the description above. In the case of Mr. Monckton’s data, I suspect that he assumed a linear progression where the rate of change has been accelerating rather than remaining constant. (Source: IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 2, , page 137)

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DENIAL MYTH #5: CO2 is a sufficiently weak greenhouse gas that it could not be responsible for the level of climate change being modeled and observed (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: CO2 is a relatively weak greenhouse gas compared to methane or nitrous oxide. If we use the radiative forcing (RF) values from Table 2.1 (page 141) of the IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 2 and assume a linear relationship between RF and concentration in the atmosphere, CO2 is about 0.0044 Watts per square meter per ppm (Wm-2ppm-1), compared to 0.2706 Wm-2ppm-1 for methane and 0.5016 Wm-2ppm-1 for nitrous oxide. This means that methane is about 62x as powerful a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and nitrous oxide is about 114x as powerful as CO2. The problem is that CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is measured at 379 ppm, while methane is only 1.774 ppm (1,774 ppb), and nitrous oxide is only .319 ppm (319 ppb). Because there is 213x more CO2 than methane, and 1188x more CO2 than nitrous oxide, the fact that CO2 is a relatively weak greenhouse gas is more than compensated for by concentration in the atmosphere. See also DENIER MYTH #18 below for a discussion of water vapor and CO2.

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DENIAL MYTH #6: 450 million years ago was the coldest in 0.5 billion years and also had the highest CO2 concentrations. Because of this, CO2 is not actually correlated global temperature (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: Scientists aren’t sure what happened in the late Ordovecian period, when the world plunged into an ice age while CO2 levels were still very high (8-20x current levels). There are some ideas about what happened, however. A 1995 paper titled Reconciling Late Ordovician (440 Ma) glaciation with very high (14X) CO2 levels suggests that the physical location of the megacontinent Gondwanaland may have had something to do with it, and later papers suggest that the problem could be one of resolution of the data - if we can’t tell what the CO2 levels were at the moment of glaciation, then we can’t say whether CO2 being removed from the atmosphere was the cause or not. And if the high CO2 levels plunged due to geologic processes (namely the rise of the Appalachian Mountains and a subsequent carbon sequestration due to the weathering of the mountains), then there would be a mechanism to explain how the CO2 was high while the temperature was also high - the data isn’t detailed enough to know better, so it was actually a lot lower than 8x-20x present day when Gondwanaland froze up. In fact, this identical process is proposed as the cause for the most recent spate of ice ages, with the Himalaya Mountains being the cause. However, ultimately we just don’t know enough about this particular instance to say for sure.

However, the correlation of CO2 and global temperature is well established over the last 650,000 years using ice core data. The image (click for a larger version) is a composite created by the IPCC from multiple different sources for the WG1 AR4 chapter 6 on Paleoclimate, Figure 6.3, page 444. The black line shows a proxy for local temperature (deuterium), the green line is nitrous oxide, the red line is CO2, the blue line is methane, and the gray line is a proxy for land ice (low=more glaciers/larger ice caps). Notice that not only is CO2 concentration correlated with temperature, but so is methane concentration.But the most interesting part of this graph is the three stars in the upper right corner of the image. They are to scale with the associated lines and represent the 2000 concentrations of nitrous oxide (green star), CO2 (red star), and methane (blue star).

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DENIAL MYTH #7: The Medieval Warm Period/Medieval Climate Anomaly (MWP) was warmer than conditions today (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton among others).
Debunking: This claim has been addressed repeatedly, and every example I found basically summarized down to this: The evidence used by most scientists that believe this claim is anecdotal at best and that while this evidence applies regionally to the area between Greenland and the Ural Mountains, there is not yet enough evidence to support this claim on a hemispherical basis, never mind a global basis. In addition, there is a chance that the MWP and the Little Ice Age (see DENIAL MYTH #9 below) are both artificial and arbitrary and are actually representative a gradual cooling trend as opposed to a periodic oscillation in the global temperature. Check through all the sources for more detailed information. (Sources: Climate of the Last Millennium, by Raymond S. Bradley, Climate System Research Center, Dept. of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 6, Figure 6.10 and Box 6.4, pages 467-469, Climate Over Past Millennia, by P.D. Jones and M.E. Mann, Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age Myths)

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DENIAL MYTH #8: The MWP has been ignored in order to produce the desired conclusion (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton as well as others).
Debunking: Even if this were true in the past (and the sources for Claim #7 above show it has been addressed repeatedly since the release of the TAR), the IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 6, Figure 6.10 and Box 6.4, pages 467-469 (shown at right) addresses this specifically. In essence, there is statistical evidence that the MWP was not warmer than the last 25 years (since 1980), but there are enough errors in the MWP data to warrant additional research into the scope (Europe? The entire Northern Hemisphere? Global?) and magnitude of the MWP. (source linked above)

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DENIAL MYTH #9: The temperatures we’re experiencing in the later part of the 20th century are a result of the global climate finally coming out of the Little Ice Age (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: The Little Ice Age is a period of significant cooling in Europe, but there are questions as to whether this known regional change was truly global in dimension. However, if you look at the graph of the temperature data for the last 2000 years, there is no period where the reconstructed global temperatures have changed at a faster rate than in the last 50 years or so. I refer people to the IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 6, Figure 6.10 and Box 6.4, pages 467-469 (image shown above in Myth #8 above), but also to this NCAR press release that verifies that the basic conclusions of the original “hockey stick” remain accurate even using multiple different models.

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DENIAL MYTH #10: There was a significant period of global cooling between the 1940s and the 1970s. This cooling period existed as anthropogenic CO2 levels were rising significantly. If anthropogenic CO2 is more important than natural drivers, then this cooling period would not exist, yet it does (Sources: produced by Rcronk in the comments to Eastern seaboard of the United States to be much hotter, but also made in the Wikipedia.org claims).
Debunking: That this cooling period existed and was global in scope is not disputable as the scope of the MWP is - scientists were directly monitoring temperatures globally by this point, and these three decades were cooler than the decades preceding them and dramatically cooler than recent decades. So what caused the cooling?

First, there is a correlation between sunspots and solar irradiance (output) on the Earth. During this period, sunspots were less common and there was less solar energy reaching the Earth, allowing it to cool slightly. Second, there were several volcanic eruptions that released massive amounts of sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere. Sulfur dioxide is an aerosol that forms droplets of sulphuric acid in the high atmosphere and reflects solar energy back into space, so these two volcanic eruptions had some short- to medium-term effects. In addition, prior to the 1970s there were limited pollution controls, allowing pollutant aerosols to act as coolants via reflection of solar radiation. Ultimately, though, it is believed that sometime after 1970 the concentration of CO2 rose to the point that solar forcing was no longer the dominant climate factor, anthropogenic CO2 was. (Sources: Do Models Underestimate the Solar Contribution to Recent Climate Change?, Swindled!)

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DENIAL MYTH #11: Cosmic rays (very high energy particles) striking the Earth’s atmosphere is the cause of global heating (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: According to this theory, cosmic rays are responsible for cloud cover - fewer cosmic rays means fewer clouds and less cooling in the summer (clouds reflect the energy) and more heating in the winter (as clouds hold heat in). Unfortunately, there doesn’t appear to be any statistically significant trend in the number of cosmic rays hitting the Earth, and the few experiments performed to date appear to be stricken with error or a failure to address key points. This could be an aggravating factor, but is highly unlikely to be the primary source of global heating. (Sources: No Link Between Cosmic Rays and Global Warming, Cosmic Rays and Global Warming, Recent Warming but No Trend In Galactic Cosmic Rays)

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DENIAL MYTH #12: The Stefan-Boltzmann Law (the relationship between radiation and temperature of an ideal “black body” radiator) breaks the calculations required to make global heating work (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton as well as others).
Debunking: This issue was the hardest to make heads or tails of, because the only people who really use it are deniers. That said, Mr. Monckton claims that the real value of lambda (the response of the Earth to radiative forcing) of between 0.22 and 0.33 C/W. But this number is only valid for an ideal black body model of the Earth, and the Earth is not even remotely close to a black body. Unfortunately, because I can’t find examples of the math involved to walk through it, I can’t say that this claim has been as well debunked as I’d like it to be, and as most climate scientists claim it is. (Source: Cuckoo Science)

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DENIAL MYTH #13: Using computer models is inherently inaccurate, especially of long-term changes in a system as complex as the Earth’s global climate (Source: Pretty much all of the deniers use this one, so there are more sources than I care to link to directly).
Debunking: Models are inherently inaccurate - anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you a bad modeling software package. However, models can be made to accurately average out to something that represents reality, and this is the case with the IPCC models. I suggest that everyone read IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 8, FAQ 8.1, pages 600-601 and IPCC Working Group 1 Report, Chapter 9, page 684 (shown at right) to get a better understanding of how the models work, and the fact that models without anthropogenic CO2 simply don’t match the actual measured temperature changes. For more comments on using models for predictions, see Denial Myth #19 below.

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DENIAL MYTH #14: The Earth hasn’t warmed by the expected amount predicted in the IPCC TAR, and papers have suggested that oceanic storage of heat is the reason. However, the only part of the ocean that matters as a “thermal sink” for atmospheric heating is the top few meters and yet the calculations performed require that 1.25 miles of ocean are available as a “sink” to make the math work out. Unfortunately, deep ocean temperatures haven’t changed at all (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton).
Debunking: First, the Earth has warmed even more than the TAR models predicted (see Myth #19 below), not less.

Second, let’s talk about what oceanic depths matter to climate. It’s true that only the top 90 meters or so of the ocean matters to short-term absorption of heat, but because of oceanic currents, the entire ocean does turn over eventually, if very slowly. So the entire ocean must be modeled in order to understand just what the effects of the oceans actually are. The IPCC TAR had to use a depth of 3000 m in order to correctly reconstruct existing temperature data using models, but the latest IPCC report (AR4) uses a depth of 700 m instead, with data correlations between the sea surface temperature, the 0-700 m ocean depth zone, and then down to 3000 m as well. These correlations were not possible back in 2001 when the TAR was released due to lack of data, and the data has significantly improved in the years since. Finally, most of the increase in the temperature of the ocean has bee in the top 300-700 m, and so no, the deep ocean temperature hasn’t changed a lot. Given that the time scales of interest when talking about the deep ocean are in the range of decades to centuries, it’s not a surprise and totally expected. (Sources: NOAA Office of Climate Observation: The Role of the Ocean in Climate, Warming of the World Ocean, 1955-2003, S. Levitus, J. Antonov, and T. Boyer)

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DENIAL MYTH #15: The ocean has already begun to cool as expected given recent changes in solar output, cosmic solar rays, etc. (Source: “Apocalypse Canceled”, by Christopher Monckton).
Debunking: A 2006 paper by John M. Lyman, Josh K. Willis, and Gregory C. Johnson published in Geophysical Research Letters suggested that the oceans had lost a massive amount of heat (~20% of all the heat it had absorbed since the 1950s) without the heat apparently going anywhere. This was latched on to by many global heating deniers to suggest that the ocean had begun to cool as required by numerous suggested methods to account for purely naturally-driven global heating, or that the estimates of ocean heating were just plain wrong. Unfortunately, Dr. Lyman and his colleagues discovered that, while they’d accounted for measurement errors, they’d missed measurement biases (deterministic offsets in temperature inherent to the equipment measuring it) in their measurement devices, and the data will have to be corrected to account for this bias. Until then, however, there is no reason to believe that the unexpected cooling will actually be anything more than a glitch in need of correction. (Source: Correction to “Recent Cooling of the Upper Ocean”)

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DENIAL MYTH #16: Global heating isn’t actually happening because satellite measurements of tropical temperatures have not been rising like directly-measured temperatures in the tropics (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: The satellites used to measure tropical temperatures remotely were discovered to have been drifting in their orbit, producing temperature measurements that were not during the day as expected, but rather during the night, confusing the cooler evening and nighttime temperatures with warmer daytime temperatures. The paper this comes from is “The Effect of Diurnal Correction on Satellite-Derived Lower Tropospheric Temperature” by Carl A. Mears and Frank J. Wentz of Remote Sensing Systems. Unfortunately, there is not a .pdf of this document available that may be freely distributed. However, this was reported in U.S.A Today and Live Science, and if you search Google for “satellite balloon data error global warming” you’ll find a lot more.

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DENIAL MYTH #17: Some deniers don’t directly dispute that global heating is happening or that humans are the cause. Instead, they claim that global heating might just be good for the human race (Source: distillation of multiple people’s claims at Wikipedia.org).
Debunking: The effects of global heating have been investigated by many people and organizations with specific concerns in mind, ranging from the economy to public health to population migrations to political stability. Below is a sampling of the organizations who believe that global heating will not be good for the world and why.

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DENIER MYTH#18: The influence of CO2 cannot match the influence of water vapor, and since the impacts of water vapor are largely unknown and outside direct human control, human beings cannot be the source of global heating (Source: Comments on Digg.com’s post about this blog originally, but scattered around the net as well).
Debunking: First off, there is no doubt that water vapor is directly responsible for the bulk of the greenhouse effect (~60% according to Table 3 of “Earth’s Annual Global Mean Energy Budget”). As such, water vapor could far outweigh the direct effect of CO2 in the atmosphere. Unfortunately, because of the complexity of the Earth’s water cycle, figuring out what the effects of water will be isn’t simple.

As the atmosphere heats up, it can hold more water vapor. As such, we can reasonably expect that the hotter the air is, the more humid it can be and, because water vapor is the most powerful greenhouse gas, the hotter the air will get. This positive feedback leads us to an obviously erroneous conclusion - that we should already be boiling. Since we’re not, there must be something that provides negative feedback to at least partly compensate for the positive feedback, and there is - precipitation in the form of rain, snow, sleet, hail, etc. Small local variations in temperature can create massive differences in the amount of water vapor present in the local atmosphere - a hot high pressure system drives the humidity down and stops precipitation, while a cooler low pressure system permits condensation and then rain or snow. All in all, this means that water vapor that enters the atmosphere persists there a very short period of time - about 11 days (see the right sidebar) - while CO2 persists in the atmosphere for decades to centuries.

Now, since people can’t directly control water vapor, the only way we have to influence it is via temperature. If the greenhouse effect boosts global temperature somewhat, we should realistically expect that the amount of water vapor in the air should be increasing. Similarly, if global temperatures drop for some reason (for example, a large volcanic eruption dumping massive amounts of aerosols into the air), we should expect to see water vapor concentrations decrease. In the lower atmosphere, the available data points to increasing water vapor content, but because of large variations in local humidity from day to night, from day to day, and from season to season, no-one currently knows exactly how much more water vapor is going into the air (IPCC Working Group 1 Assessment Report 4, Chapter 3, “Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change”, page 273). And unfortunately, the upper troposphere (the region of the atmosphere believed to be most important for water vapor’s effects on global heating) has no conclusive direct data on water vapor concentrations. Instead, the increase in water vapor in this part of the atmosphere has been indirectly checked by the increase in this region’s temperature. Since water vapor is such a powerful greenhouse gas, any increase in temperature in this region of the atmosphere should be largely a result of the effects of water vapor (IPCC Working Group 1 Assessment Report 4, Chapter 3, “Observations: Surface and Atmospheric Climate Change”, Figure 3.21, page 275).

But perhaps most importantly, the fact that the concentration of water vapor does increase and decrease along with external temperature changes was proven as a result of the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo. The temperature dropped for several years, and the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere dropped at the same time, and roughly in the same pattern (Figure 2, to the left). When the authors of the paper looked at their general climate models, they discovered that, once they corrected for an El Nino that occurred right after Pinatubo erupted, the model only produced roughly equivalent cooling if water vapor feedback was included in the model (Figure 4, to the right).

What does all of this mean? Basically, water vapor is a more important greenhouse gas than CO2, but because CO2 will cause heating independently of water vapor, as man-made CO2 increases global heating, water vapor will increase too, boosting the amount of warming with a positive feedback loop. How much exactly is up for debate, and there’s not a long enough data series on water vapor in the atmosphere to know everything. But just because humans can’t increase or decrease water vapor in the air directly doesn’t mean that CO2 heating of the air won’t do so indirectly.

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DENIER MYTH #19: We don’t have enough climate data to make valid predictions of any kind. We have so many problems predicting the weather that there’s no way we’ve got enough data to predict how the entire climate functions (Source: multiple sources).
Debunking: Allow me to draw a detailed analogy from my professional field, electrical engineering. Please bear with me - I’ll try to keep the math and technical jargon to a minimum. The image to the left shows a simple electrical circuit called a difference amplifier. Using two fundamental relations derived from some of the laws of physics (specifically Kirchoff’s Voltage and Current Laws, derived from conservation of energy and conservation of charge respectively), and knowing a couple of key bits of information about resistors and operational amplifiers (op-amps), we can crunch through some basic algebra to come up with the following equation that describes mathematically how the output voltage VOUT is related to the input voltages VIN1 and VIN2.

If you notice, the name “difference amplifier” comes from the fact that VOUT is related to a difference between VIN1 and VIN2, and in fact if you select the resistor values correctly (R2=RF, R1=RG), you get a simplified equation below.

Given that I’ve described the circuit mathematically, do I have enough information to accurately predict how the circuit will respond? Yes and no. This equation accurately describes the operation of the circuit if the circuit perfectly represents reality. But the circuit doesn’t perfectly represent reality. Reality is quite a bit more complex, as the image shows. This circuit illustrates a much more accurate picture of reality in that it includes terms such as bias current, offset current, and offset voltage, and this equation is the corrected equation for the operation of the circuit (this equation is still missing two of the larger corrections, input and output resistance, because I didn’t want to re-derive the equations - it gets really tedious really fast).

But sometimes that’s still not a good enough model of reality. Every single term is a function of temperature, so as the temperature of the op-amp and the resistors change, their values change. Not only that, but depending on the precise nature of the parts, how the parts change with temperature will vary - some will increase as temperature increases, some decrease, some increase for a while and then decrease, some don’t change at all. Not only that, but if the circuit is expected to operate for an extended period of time, every term (including the temperature term) may change totally differently as the part ages. How each component operates varies with air pressure, humidity, radiation exposure, proximity to electromagnetic interference, how the component is packaged, what materials it’s made out of, mechanical stresses, manufacturing imperfections, device noise, input noise, and power supply variations. And this list is still too small to include all the possible variables - it’s just the list I came up with after 10 minutes of thinking of all the factors I’ve been expected to consider over the years. There are probably dozens more I haven’t even considered. Given the massive number of factors that might, or might not, affect the operation of the difference amplifier above, it’s simply not always possible to make detailed and exact predictions of how it will react at any given instant even though the circuit’s gross functionality will alway be predictable.

Predicting climate using models is like me predicting how the difference amplifier works at a basic level - I don’t need to know how the exact devices will react to air pressure and temperature in order to derive the basic equations. But if we want to use climate models to predict the weather, that’s a lot more like me trying to predict how my difference amplifier will operate given every possible input condition and variable.

We don’t need to have all the data in order to have valid predictions. We need to have an understanding of the basic physics, the basic feedback and forcing mechanisms, and of the inputs and outputs of the Earth’s climate system. Climate scientists have a great deal of this information and have included it in the climate models (the illustration above illustrates the progression in increasing model detail from early models to the latest used by the IPCC). The climate models aren’t perfect, but neither are the basic equations of a difference amplifier circuit.

Do we have enough data to be able to claim, as I have, that the climate models are good enough to qualify as “basic equations”? Well, the IPCC Working Group I Fourth Assessment Report Summary for Policymakers says that they have “very high confidence,” 90% or more (see the image to the right for how the IPCC AR4 defines all the various confidence levels), that human beings have heated up the planet since 1750 (Box TS.1 on page 22-23 of the describes the percent confidence/likelihood indicated by the language). The Summary also says that the data and models have improved since 2001 when the likelihood was only “likely,” or greater than 66%, that humans were causing global heating (see the image to the right for how the IPCC Working Group I Fourth Assessment Report Technical Summary defines different likelihoods)

What increased the likelihood in the view of about 620 authors representing 42 different countries? It was partly that two of the key predictions of the IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR) were accurate when compared with the actual data. First, the IPCC predicted that the temperature would increase by about 0.5 degrees C as per the image to the left. If you look at this blown up image, you’ll see that the actual data, approximately 0.7 degrees C, exceeded the global expected change significantly (indicated by the orange intersection I added). Some variation from the model over the short term is reasonable, so the fact that we’ve exceeded the expected range isn’t necessarily cause for concern that the models are underestimating global heating. Second, the TAR predicted that sea level would rise by between 1 and 5 cm from 1990 to 2006, with the expected range from the models somewhere between roughly 2.5 and 4 cm (Click on the image below for a more readable blow-up). If you look at the red and blue lines representing ocean station data and satellite altimeter data, you’ll notice that both track very closely to the maximum, but are both within the range of the IPCC TAR model. (Unfortunately, there’s significant confusion and contention about whether the TAR and AR4 models are similar, whether the unknown factors are included or not. See here for one side of the discussion, here for the other.)

In addition to the data closely matching the models, the scientists also have five or six more years of climate data of all types, improved data due to better measurement techniques, and more data from a wider geographical area. Combine the new and improved data, measured correlation between the old models and the new data, and improved climate models that, when properly vetted and compared with historical climate reconstructions, and you end up with a very compelling global heating theory that has convinced 620 authors from 42 countries that both the theory and the predictions are accurate. (Other sources: Real Climate’s page on sea level rise)

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DENIER MYTH #20: Volcanos emit more CO2 in a single eruption (or per year) than humanity does, dwarfing anthropogenic emissions (source: comment below by BobCook)
Debunking: Volcanoes emit a lot of gases, including significant amounts of CO2. Unfortunately, according to papers from back in the late 1990s, “Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man’s activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year.” This means that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are 100x greater than volcanic CO2 emissions. In addition, as mentioned above in Myth #18, volcanoes generally cause global cooling through the emissions of cloud-forming sulfur dioxide and water-cycle feedback. Finally, the USGS says “The most significant impacts from these injections come from the conversion of sulfur dioxide to sulfuric acid (H2SO4), which condenses rapidly in the stratosphere to form fine sulfate aerosols” at this site

Over geologic time, volcanoes and mantle outgassing have emitted more CO2 than humanity ever will, but that’s over the course of 4.5 billion years. See Myth #1 above for more information.

Additional information for how volcanic CO2 emissions compare to anthropogenic CO2 emissions is available at Gases: Man vs. the Volcano.

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At one point or another, each of these claims represented a real problem with the science of global heating. But no longer - the scientific evidence has become overwhelming. However, it’s the minority composed of global heating deniers who continue to hunt for flaws in climate science, so the deniers serve a valuable scientific purpose - when they find a real hole, or just think they have, addressing their claims are what has made the science of global heating as bullet-proof as it now is.It comes down to this simple fact: the overwhelming majority of the scientific evidence points to human-induced global heating, and every claim made by global heating deniers has been effectively debunked. And because the consequences of doing nothing are so severe, we must act now even as the data continues to improve - we can no longer afford to wait.[Crossposted: The Daedalnexus]NOTE: This post was inspired by a blog Whythawk posted a couple of weeks ago entitled Life Earth will end climate change the way Live Aid ended poverty in Africa - Er… where one of the comment posters, “2008Voter”, posted the links to some of the sources used for this blog.

69 Responses to “Anti-global heating claims - a reasonably thorough debunking”

  1. Anti-global heating claims - a reasonably thorough debunking

    Author provides an extremely detailed debunking for all of our global warming deniers. Bookmark this - it’s a resource you can use over and over again.

  2. Congrats on the thoroughness of your investigations ;)

    I’m concerned at the tone of the Climate Change debate, it has terrible parallels with South Africa’s president, Thabo Mbeki’s, denial of the link between HIV and AIDS. So much time has been spent on “proving” the link and, in the mean time, South Africa has lost the battle, dooming almost 20% of the population to death.

    The same is happening with climate change; too much time is being spent arguing on whether or not humans are to “blame”. I don’t imagine that HIV was unleashed on the world as a punishment for people any more than climate change.

    It is a thing. Let’s deal with it.

    We can’t berate, on the one hand, the problems of the 60% of the world’s population who are in poverty, while on the other denying them access to the technology they will need to become rich. Energy consumption and increasing wealth go hand in hand. Demanding that we all make sacrifices may result in some rich countries pretending to do things (Europe, which has signed up to Kyoto but has done little practical terms) while China and India ignore it entirely.

    I like the competition that Richard Branson is sponsoring to reward companies that come up with new carbon sequestering ideas. Maybe it should be made larger and more exciting.

    And let’s not be so dictatorial about it, no greater worthy than James Lovelock, who invented the Gaia theory, has demanded that nuclear power form part of any response to climate change.

  3. I agree with you completely that we need to give the developing world access to the energy that will enable them to grow their economies, improve their public health, etc. And so they need to be provided (not necessarily given) with technologies that give them that energy but does so in a reduced carbon/carbon neutral fashion. There are massive challenges in the developing world that must be overcome in order to build clean power, but they also have a massive advantage that the developed world does not - their slate is largely clean, so they have the option of jumping right in and skipping over some of the dirtier technologies that the developed world has to upgrade without disrupting their economies.

    Our civilization is nearly totally dependent on carbon right now (something else I’ll be blogging on in depth in the next few weeks), and that needs to change. I’m actually a proponent of carefully propagating nuclear power to the developing world. It has to be done right, and I’m pretty sure that the current IAEA isn’t up to the task, but without nuclear power as at least a bridge technology, there’s no way that we’ll successfully decarbonize our civilization in time.

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  5. Good point about developing nations and skipping steps. When we went to the Molly Brown house a few weeks ago they mentioned that Denver was the 4th city in the US to have electric street lights. Not because Denver was incredibly progressive, but because unlike established East Coast cities, we hadn’t already invested a fortune in gas lights. We were smaller and just starting out, so it was easier to adapt the new technology on a city wide scale.

  6. The true difficulty may be that BOTH sides are correct. Consider the following scenario.

    Thorough thousands or even millions of years, the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles. In general, except for an occasional asteroid strike, catastrophic volcanic eruption, and the like, the atmosphere easily absorbs these changes and life moves on.

    Then along come humans. For several thousands of years, they are merely a minor annoyance to the plant before becoming a menace to themselves and everything around them. In time, increased human activity coincides with one of the natural upswings in temperature, and exaggerates the effect - pushing it over the top.

    The natural rhythms are overwhelmed. The cycles behave erratically as they try to make adjustments. In all the wild environmental shifts, humans die off. Nature merely reacted to their presence as it would to a prolonged asteroid strikes or series of volcanic eruptions.

    With humans out of the way, nature eventually recovers. Nature doesn’t miss humans very much and never really need them anyway. Once again, life moves on as it did before humans arrived on the scene.

    The simple fact of life is humans really aren’t very important except to themselves.

  7. Threebells, there’s no doubt in my mind that there are natural cycles - the data shows that they occur. So at some level you’re right, human-caused global warming is added on top of the natural cycles. But I see no reason why we shouldn’t try to manage our environment so that humanity en toto lives longer. Is it selfish? Yep, and I’m ok with that. I’d like for descendants to have a life that is at least as rich as my own.

  8. For me there’s no debate: of course we must manage our environment. Humans, I would like to believe, are destined to become a space-fairing species. We will have to control environments where-ever we colonise.

    There is permanent discussion about colonising Mars. I fully believe that this will happen within the next 100 years and that, within 200 Mars will have an Earth-like atmosphere stable and sustainable. Possibly with Virgin Mars trips once a week ;)

    What we learn here about how to preserve ourselves is useful everywhere.

  9. Thank you thank you thank you.

    I’m certain I’ll reference this. I’ve bookmarked it under ‘globalwarming’ on delicious. I’ll likely blog it later today.

    -kevin

    http://www.21st-century-citizen.com

  10. 8. Whythawk - I agree with you entirely. I’m not sure about the time scale of giving Mars an atmosphere that fast, but that’s a pretty minor quibble.

    9. Kevin - you’re welcome. I’m glad you found it useful. My biggest surprise in the process of doing the research for this post was that something like this didn’t already exist. Realclimate.org has most of the information, with references, but because the scientists associated with that website developed the infamous “hockey stick” (that I’ve already been criticized for using on Digg.com, BTW), too many deniers have a knee-jerk rejection when they come up. And it’s not easy to find it all even there. And their “global warming myths” doesn’t have all the stuff that’s being used against them these days.

  11. Thanks Brian -

    I agree realclimate.org has some great content. I’ll be adding you guys to my blogroll and following your site. I’ve been here before, but can’t remember how long it’s been.

  12. BTW - I also stumbled this page. Hope you see some traffic.

  13. Count me in as a denier, flat-earther, whatever the current name-calling standard is.

    I appreciate the post, however. Nothing like a well-researched piece of text to help out both sides of the debate.

    I would like to point out, however, that it’s not like every charge has to be proven false. If even one charge is found to be true, the whole thing falls apart. As a computer expert, I’m specifically concerned about the amount of faith the public places in anything that has the words “scientist” and “computer model” in it. If the input and output data are available to build and test models, based on just a few decades of observation, then I’m Captain Kangaroo.

    Making a case like you have made is basically a political argument, where much of this debate lies. The science is either based on theory and predictive or it is not. I haven’t seem an average temperature or ocean level prediction for the year 2020, so to me it’s all just a general feeling that most scientists have, gussied up with the appropriate symbology.

    Thanks again for the post.

  14. Ain’t math wonderful, Brian? Very, very nice work.

  15. “If even one charge is found to be true, the whole thing falls apart.”

    That’s not true at all. Not all claims are equal in importance. For example, if solar irradiance is found to influence climate (this is a “duh” statement, IMO), then the question is one of degree of influence, not the existence thereof. Stott et al (link above) point out that solar irradiance probably dominated climate shifts up until the late 1960s or 1970s, where anthropogenic CO2 took over.

    The thing about the models is that they are predictive. The models have used measured data and reconstructed temperatures from proxies (tree rings, ice cores, boreholes, sediments, etc.) and been calibrated against at least the last few thousand years of data, and they all predict that the temperatures will continue to rise. The IPCC makes temperature predictions in their Global Climate Projections, Chapter 10. Figure 10.2 on page 757 has the projected radiative forcings for every 20-year chunk of the 21st century. Figure 10.4 on page 762 shows the predicted temperatures for the various scenarios that the IPCC modeled. Figure 10.5 and Table 10.5 on page 763 have even more data if you’d rather see the individual model runs instead of the average of all the models that Figure 10.4 shows.

    The problem isn’t making predictions so much as it is the limitations of the climate system - when you’re low-pass filtering (averaging out a decade’s worth of temperatures, for example) temperatures to extract trends out of the year-to-year noise, you’re always 10 years behind. And the predictions are sufficiently bad that we can’t really wait 10 years to start actively managing the environment.

  16. What I find interesting is how many people boil down environmentalism to “global warming”. Even if global warming was proven one day to be a complete fallacy, wouldn’t conservation and reduced pollution still be a good thing? The exact same actions that would reduce global warming would also preserve general air & water quality, reduce the levels of toxins in our food, ensure we have energy to meet our demands, reduce erosion, and maintain wild places for us to enjoy.

  17. 16. Lara, thank you for making that excellent point. That’s part of why I don’t generally talk about “environmentalism” much any more - protecting the environment is about public health, energy, food safety, pretty places to hunt, fish, hike, and camp in rather than protecting it for its own intrinsic value. Which isn’t to say that the environment isn’t intrinsically valuable - it is - but rather to say that “environmentalism” has very effectively been given a bad rap, so reframing the discussions can be very, very useful.

  18. Well at least we can agree that GW is being used by some as a “re-framing” for environmentalism. It begs the question of whether human activity is natural or not. Are we simply arguing where to put the thermostat? Or are we somehow morally culpable, “parasites on the earth” as one correspondent put it?

    I do believe that if any of these factors play a conclusive role in climate change that the cat is out of the bag. As you point out, however, it’s a complex thing — probably multiple factors — so we’re just arguing semantics.

    I’m really curious as to how you view the models as predictive. Core data and other forensic climate methods are notoriously location-specific. You’re only getting data from wherever the sample was taken. And the predictive capability would be limited to those places where you have readings. It’s not like you have global data going back anywhere past 1950 (or 1850 if you have looser standards). So measuring from a small number of sites can give you input data for global climate? That’s quite a statement. Amazing, even.

    I believe we’re probably warming the planet. But I believe that in the same exact way I believe the Steelers should win the Superbowl, or that sushi is better than Mrs. Paul’s frozen fish. This argument is at a stage of “preponderance of the evidence” and personal choice, not science.

    I look forward to testing the model’s prediction in the first 20 years. At that point, perhaps the underlying theory will have caught up with the statistical modeling process. I’ve heard the arguments and remain unconvinced. Now — either somehow I’m intellectually challenged, being paid-off, still missing some key facts, or there is something to my caution. I’m open to your evangelism, however. Keep up the faith. There’s nothing we all can’t do with civil reasoning and logic.

  19. Brian,

    Thanks for this incredible piece of research and writing. Just valuable stuff….

  20. Just like you I think its about time we had a static climate.
    We need to do everything we can to ensure things never change - except everything that has changed up to this point in time - but nothing else should ever change.

    We should never see another animal go extinct, or another develop. We should never see another island be created or an enviroment change - such as a desert becoming grass land as has happened in the past.

    Finally, we need to ensure that we have something we can use to prove that it is man who is causing things to change when they do. CO2 is the best substance we have because it is such a small percentage of the atmosphere - but is a crucial part of life - so it will always be something we can point as.

    Keep up the good work, but make sure you delete the file if we end up in the same situation as a few years ago when global cooling never happened. That Newsweek article from 1975 is still quite embarrassing! :)

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  22. Core data and other forensic climate methods are notoriously location-specific. You’re only getting data from wherever the sample was taken. And the predictive capability would be limited to those places where you have readings. It’s not like you have global data going back anywhere past 1950 (or 1850 if you have looser standards). So measuring from a small number of sites can give you input data for global climate? That’s quite a statement. Amazing, even.

    Not amazing at all. If you have enough data points around the world, you can predict trends - not specific temperatures for specific locations, but trends. We have enough data points going back quite a while that, with error bars bracketing the data, the models are able to predict the likely temperature trends. Check out the links above for the IPCC chapter 6 (Paleoclimate) and chapter 10 (global climate predictions) to get a feel for the level off prediction being made, and also Chapter 8 (modeling) for how the IPCC modeling works.

    The modelers aren’t saying they have all the answers, but they are saying that the have enough answers to draw some significant conclusions and to predict some climate trends. And every climate trend they predict is for a hotter climate.

  23. Great Stuff! Thanks for this… we need tough talking now and a basic simplicity. Global Climate Change IS happening. Its time to stop wasting time and resources on proving it is not and, instead spend time on resources on stabilizing our biosphere before its too late.

  24. Valuable article; comes in handy for arguments.

    I posted a link to it on the high-traffic http://www.opednews.com/.
    Under “Best Web Op-Eds.”

  25. Thanks a lot, Russ.

  26. “In addition, if a hotter ocean were the cause of CO2, we would also see increasing concentrations of other dissolved gases such as oxygen,”

    Technical point: Equilibrium O2 concentrations in water drop with increasing temperature. (Negative delta S on dissolution).

    Otherwise, good article.

  27. I’m sorry it wasn’t clear - I was trying to say that we’d see increasing O2 concentrations in the atmosphere, not in the water. I’ll clarify the language. Thanks for catching that.

  28. “The idea is that the brand new Appalachian Mountains eroded so fast, and in the process pulled so much CO2 out of the air, that it caused global temperatures to plummet”

    There are alternate explanations: most of the land mass was at the poles, and solar output then was lower than now. Crowley (forget reference) did a model in, oh, the mid-1990s where he was able to model massive glaciation in the Ordivician with lower solar output, land at the poles, and 12x current CO2 concentrations.

  29. The Ordovician claim is the one I had the most trouble with, and the one that is debunked the least effectively (and one I’ve been getting beaten up on for at Digg). Thanks for the comment - it’ll help me research a better response.

  30. Nice work, Brian.

    Check out my version of something similar, a little more comprehensive, at http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics or at my own blog (click my name)

  31. Brian,

    You couldn’t possibly leave out “Global Warming Stopped in 1998″. That one got used on Australian TV a few weeks ago. Despite the fact that it has been shown so many times, by so many people to be completely false, it is still doing the rounds.

    Good work on your site!

  32. ChrisC, sure, I can add that one. Not a problem.

    Coby, thanks for that link. Great stuff. I’m thinking of adding a list of links to other sites that go after all these claims too even as I add more stuff here.

  33. Got the reference to the Crowley paper (there also appears to have been replications of this work, so track down cites also):

    JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH, VOL. 100, NO. D1, PAGES 1093–1102, 1995

    Reconciling Late Ordovician (440 Ma) glaciation with very high (14X) CO2 levels

    Thomas J. Crowley, Steven K. Baum

    Abstract here: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1995/94JD02521.shtml

    Abstract
    Geochemical data and models suggest a positive correlation between carbon dioxide changes and climate during the last 540 m.y. The most dramatic exception to this correlation involves the Lage Ordovician (440 Ma) glaciation, which occurred at a time when CO2 levels may have been much greater than present (14–16X?). Since decreased solar luminosity at the time only partially offset increased radiative forcing from CO2, some other factor needs to be considered to explain the glaciation. Prior work with energy balance models (EBMs) suggested that the unique geographic configuration of Gondwanaland at that time may have resulted in a small area of parameter space permitting permanent snow cover and higher CO2 levels. However, the crude snow and sea ice parameterizations in the EBM left these conclusions open to further scrutiny.

    Herein we present results from four experiments with the GENESIS general circulation model with CO2 levels 14X greater than present, solar luminosity reduced 4.5%, and an orbital configuration set for minimum summer insolation receipt. We examined the effects of different combinations of ocean heat transport and topography on high-latitude snow cover on Gondwanaland. For the no-elevation simulations we failed to simulate permanent summer snow cover. However, for the slightly elevated topography cases (300–500 m), permanent summer snow cover occurs where geological data indicate the Ordovician ice sheet was present. These results support the hypothesis based on EBM studies. Further results indicate that although average runoff per grid point increases substantially for the Ordovician runs, the decreased land area results in global runoff 10–30% less than present, with largest runoff reductions for flat topography. This response has implications for CO2-runoff/weathering parameterizations in geochemical models. Finally, simulated tropical sea surface temperatures (SSTs) are the same or only marginally warmer than present. This result is consistent with evidence from other warm time intervals indicating small changes in tropical SSTs during time of high CO2.

  34. What brazen nonsense. The Earth is slowly heating up (and someday will go in the other direction of cooling down) because the earth periodically goes through both warming and cooling cycles.

    But the current heating is not caused by man. You go through a lot of machinations to debunk anti-manmade-global warming arguments, but you are unconvincing and your arguments irrelevant.

    When you make an astounding claim that man is warming the earth, then the burden of proof is on you. You have not proved your case.

    Manmade global warming is a hoax.

  35. Actually, Gary, the earth is heating up fast and there is a massive body of evidence that the current round of heating is reversing a long-term cooling trend over the last 2000 years.

    The “extraordinary claim” was made back in the 1980s (maybe even earlier) by a number of scientists who were both fairly and correctly greeted with great skepticism of their hypotheses. Since then, literally thousands of papers have made this case very carefully, tens to hundreds of thousands of climate simulations have been run, model errors have been corrected and resolution improved, hundreds of problems in the science have been corrected and claims that humans aren’t the source have all been addressed.

    The science has reached a point where the extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary proof is no longer that human beings are the dominant factor in modern climate change, but rather that we aren’t.

  36. i’ll add my 2c, why the hell not, it’s out of control anyway.

    first - there is that little issue of nuclear power someone brought up - well what about the waste? what to do with the waste? oh, i hear your answer - “don’t worry just get on with the solution and save everyone” - then we can swim in nuclear waste, instead of CO2.

    has anyone EVER - EVER considered reducing our energy demands, instead of trying to keep up with increasing demand? uh-oh, that might mean eveyone slowing down the economy, chaos. we can’t save ourselves, because so-doing would kill us. omg.

    you talk about gas powered street lights vs electric. TURN OFF THE DAMN STREET LIGHTS. if that scares you because our natural environment is dark at night, then perhaps SOCIAL change and education can help. but NOPE. technology to the rescue. let’s light up the sky 24/7, and fill the atmosphere with CO2, to solve that pesky “darkness” issue.

    what a farce. and there are actually people on this comment list who are STILL openly denying that humans are damaging this planet much much faster than we ought to.

    SHAKE YOUR HEAD. humans possess a unique gift - of being able to EVALUATE a situation, and CHOOSE to act differently, thereby CHANGING THE OUTCOME.

    you could use this power - change the way you act, and we can improve the world’s situation.

    so what the hell is the problem here folks??? who would argue AGAINST fixing the environment?

    consider though, this simple example:

    suggestion: go vegetarian - it’s good for the environment.

    - but wait - oh yeah, we have taught our society that that is lame, feminine, wierd, difficult, bad, and most importantly - not freedom of choice.

    we have put freedom of individual choice as a higher achievement, and in fact a higher human “right”, than making community choices.

    i.e. –> no one can “TELL ME WHAT TO DO”. i will feed cattle wheat, and then eat the cattle - at HUGE expense to the environment, and absurd energy waste - BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO. what a joke.

    well, i tell you that’s just an example, we all know there’s a big problem there.

    so, no one wants to REDUCE energy demand, it’s not even on the table.

    our society teaches that saving on taxes is a successful idea. that earning profits is devine, and more important than sense itself. it justifies almost any action.

    power has been handed to those among us who are captivated by individual greed, and are grossly unaware of scientific realities, and are grossly incapable of choosing the long-term sustainable solution.

    do you think anyone is going to want to shut down the economy now?

    do you want to lose your job today? are you willing to make ANY small sacrifice from our absurdly greedy life?

    our society is in a state of psychosis (farley mowat). one primary effect of being in psychosis, is being UNAWARE that you are in psychosis. very difficult to solve.

    why do schools teach computer science so intensely, but sustainable nutrition, community services, sustainable living practices are given but a mockable, terse, glance.

    ???

    computer science will get you a job.

    so quick - BUILD ANOTHER DATACENTRE. forget about those birds nesting grounds - i’ve got some damned mp3’s that i need to share, and a stupid video to show everyone. sell more computers guys - good work. people have got supercomputers in their homes, but they can’t figure out why black bears are suddenly migrating. or why bees are disappearing from europe.

    when the bees are gone - pollenation of wildplants will go too, think it through.

    but nope, your’re too busy. “sorry, i’d love to help the environment today, but i have to go to work”

    OMG. it’s a shame that only *some* of our species can evaluate this situation and say, hey wait a minute, if we all just try a tiny tiny bit, we could have an awesome world - but then the other 99.9% of the population come thundering in like idiots and crush everything in their path in order to get to some shiny object on the horizon. too bad that object is a mirage.

    guess what - money is actually just coloured paper. trees breathe out real oxygen.

    too bad for what will happen to this planet, i forsee not much chance of change. why heck, i can’t even imagine my neighbour getting rid of his air conditioning, never mind our entire society re-evaluating what is TRULY LOGICAL AND IMPORTANT.

    we stand at the edge of a most unusual epoch in history.

  37. statements such as gary’s, above, are tragic.

    consider:

    from his picture, i see he wears a suit.

    a suit, requires dry cleaning. yet our society, gives implied success and power to the image of a suit - while a lowly, undyed, organic, cotton outfit is seen as a cheaper outfit, not successful - even though it would be far superior, in terms of durability, and ecological friendliness.

    but nope - we teach our society to RESPECT something nonsensical!

    consider what you would wear at your wedding? a suit perhaps, a tuxedo, a wedding gown? a simple, eco-friendly oufit? these archetypes are destroying the environment in the name of respect!

    can you not see out of this stupid mind trick?

    it’s just another example.

    psychosis is very tricky. mass psychosis even worse.

    ok, here’s a good one

    - i just took an alaskan cruise a few weeks ago (no choice)
    the ship, the holland-america “zuiderdam” uses 200,000 gallons of gasoline -PER DAY - to power the turbines - and 97,000 gallons of deisel, PER DAY - to power the ships systems.

    total:
    for a 7 day cruise,

    0.6million gallons of deisel +
    1.4 million gallons gasoline.

    HAHAHA

    (oh, in litres the numbers are just too ridiculous to even bother with)

    all burned into the atmosphere, and deposited in and around alaska,
    hahaha.

    why gee, that’s a lot of gas, don’t ya think - and what for? just to show a bunch of rich people what the unpolluted world looks like. and pollute it in so-doing. holy crap, the irony was more startling than the scenery.

    but cruises are a treat, right? they are a form of celebrating success. you might one day be so lucky as to go on a luxurious cruise! i’s a trick. what about the community choice like NOT burning that gas into the air, like NOT going on those absurd floating hotels just for petty LEISURE.

    detroy the environment, for LEISURE! sure.

    it was hilariously tragic to see everyone on the ship rushing around to glimpse a whale! a glorious whale!! “i saw it!” they would exclaim in delight - and then they immediately return to their salmon dinner. omg.

    i did get some great digital photos of the glacier calving though! i think i’ll post them on a “blog”, and use a 500 watt computer just to look at them. makes so much sense. ???

    just look at gary’s post. then stare into your own hands.

    what choices will you make immediately next?

    we must make eco-friendlyness a very enviable trait, a very successful, sought after “way”. the only way the mass of “gary’s” will uptake the solution, is if you feed it to their insecurities. sexy chicks await those who are eco-friendly…..

    the question becomes:

    how do 100,000 people stop 6 billion uninformed people from detroying everything?

  38. Definitely living up to your call name. The other side to the global warming discussion that i’m not hearing are strategies for a warmed globe. In otherwords when we (sorry for my pessimism) we fail to prevent further warming and we begin to see changes in sea levels, rainfall patterns on a constantly varying pattern, how do we help communities and the global society to adapt?

  39. the standard reaction of the world will be for the unaffected areas to raise money to try and help the affected areas.

    2 critical errors in thinking, imho (1 obvious, the other not so..)

    1) the costs will escalate too high
    2) money cannot solve the problems that money creates

    when people give money instead of effort, and you take into account WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM - then you must of course realize the paradox, or is that catch-22….?

    consider:
    the “air conditioner repairman” donates $100 to help out the flood victims in the UK…. and is content that this helps, and returns to what he is doing, just a workin’ guy like anyone, ya know?

    the solution, brought to you by the cause - heheh.

    so, i think people would donate like crazy, what they can afford, then go out and do whatever it takes to RETAIN THEIR CURRENT LIFESTYLE. i.e. —> detergents, oil, plastics, more oil, flights to japan, web-casting camera phones, digital baby pictures

    the environment is the silent victim, leveraged for our instinctive desire for individual gain - and ignored by people who INVENTED economic “science” and forgot to include the environment cost in the whole model. ooops. (or is that, haha?)

    i need an iphone, right? marketing. move units. make impressions, we need eyeballs.

    a solution - not money, but EFFORT - human effort - is what is required. money will have to lose meaning, and compassion and human need and effort will be all we are left with.

    water, food, shelter, healthcare, environment, love

    truly i believe that we will drop the charade ONLY AFTER IT IS VERY VERY LATE in this game, and it will just dawn on everyone that money’s legitimacy turned to smoke and vanished. we will all be staring at our shoes and feeling pretty shocked i think - because by the time this happens, the environment will most likely have suffered so catastrophically, that the loss to our world will be staggering to any reasonably intelligent person.

    and for people among us who are already trying to affect change today - the loss may make us so tragically angry, frustrated, depressed, during the overload cycle - that we will honestly just shut down, internally.

    all the bees gone? wtf is that?

    it’s a tough puzzle to me, because aid workers *today* simply need money, it’s very real, and it is necessary - I KNOW THAT, I’M NOT OUT TO LUNCH - i’m saying i think it is a trap, that we are not realizing.

    coping with the effects of global heating is not going to be for the faint of heart. i think we’re losing a lot already…

    goodbye polar bears, forests of BC, cod, birds,
    didn’t mean to poison you
    we thought it was a good idea at the time
    please come back
    we’ve got digital cameras!

    when you’ve forgotten about when polar bears used to roam the arctic, don’t worry kid, i’ve got tons of pictures of how they lived - all housed in a datacentre in that building over there….it’s called flikr, or something like that…aren’t we lucky!

    the de-evolution WILL be televised ;)

    - when insect species vanish, due to climate change and toxic water sytems -> lookout. and man i mean lookout.

    time is money
    since when?
    if money is the root of all evil
    then what is the root of all good?
    love?

    get out there and be local - the global will then take care of itself.

    do not start a project with an unattainable task, such as “save the planet”.

    we can act locally, think globally - stop flying around for the banks, stop taking oil vacations, plant a garden for goodness sake, use biodegradeable soap, forgive your neighbour . get a bike

    get fit america!

    $15.95/month sponsors a kid in africa! or, gets you hosting w/mobile sync email.

    maybe everyone should move to africa where the cost of living is so low…?

    maybe gary is right after all. keep your head down, back to work - nothing to see here

  40. Well, the temperatures of Mars, Venus, & the moon are said to be rising & there are no SUV’s or cows farting there as far as we know. So tip your tin foil hat & head back to the drawing board!!

  41. I’m actually going to add the “other planets are heating up” myth to the list above, because it holds even less water than most of the others.

  42. well, that’s great scientific thinking….

    “something, somewhere else, is doing something, so let’s draw a completely unfounded conclusion”

    good work, you have just proven that mankind is definitely not to blame for anything. we have no need for improvement, everything is FINE.

    back to the feast!

  43. Re: about other warming worlds: