All of us in America want there to be, you know, fairness when it comes to justice. -George W. Bush
Bush did not comment on the specifics of the Jena case. Vegas will not offer odds on whether he knew them….
Bush comments on Jena and proves that 59,054,087 people ARE that dumb…
Posted on September 20, 2007 by Jim Booth
“you know, fairness…”
That’s certainly an enthusiastic plea that the right thing be done…
I think it’s actually a good bush quite.
Everyone wants there to be fairness when it comes to justice being served, not only in America, but in the whol world.
On each side there are victims if justice isn’t fair.
-Smiley
Smiley: You’re giving him more credit than he deserves. I admire your generosity – but he still sounds like an idiot. Which is how he usually sounds.
I’m white, middle aged (ok, a little past middle), and have a good income. So what do I have in common with Jena, LA. – discrimination exists in this country and no matter how many different perspectives I read about what is happening in Jena, it stinks of discrimination.
And as expected, Bush just doesn’t have the time to devote important domestic problems.
Jena citizens you’re in the news, show us what you’re made up and offer your hand to your fellow residences in the brotherhood of humanity and show the world, that sometimes things get out of hand, and when they do, extend that hand in understanding and move on.
when did it become racist to arrest thugs for assault by 6 on one . all you people are insane if it were 6 whites kicking the hell out of 6 blacks not one of you would respond .
The Return of Willie Stark
And Jerry, you’re not alone buddy.
Here’s David Duke on his radio program commenting about the Jena march. . . .
“This is David Duke, and this is the David Duke internet web radio broadcast, broadcasting to the entire world with news and information of vital importance to Europeans and people of European descent, no matter where they may live around the world. Today, I have an important program. Today, the city of Jena, Louisiana is being besieged. It’s being invaded by thousands of thugs, demanding that a specific black criminal be let out of jail — he and his cohorts who committed a vicious hate crime against a white student in that city.
The people of Jena, the people of Louisiana, and I, are not racist. We simply want justice to be done. We understand that white people in America have lost our basic civil rights. Whites are now deprived of human rights by racial discrimination in jobs, promotions, scholarships, college admittance, and in many other programs. More importantly, whites are increasingly victims of black racial violence and hate crimes.”
Well, you know what they say, “birds of a feather” or something like that.
Oh for goodness sakes – a comment about 6 on 1 is perfectly fair. To ascribe a racist ideology to such a comment and then linking up with a known racist crackpot is a low shot and stupid to boot.
Jim has covered this pretty well, but I do not believe he ever wrote that IT WAS A RIGHT AND PROPER THING TO BEAT SOMEONE UP. As soon as base thuggery is advocated in response to a racist environment then ALL BETS would be off whereever the races met if you were so inclined.
If you are a white liberal, a white Prof or white anything if someone was coming at you from a racist perspective then they would not give a moment’s thought to your character, politics or intelligence. It would be hey he’s white – they’re racist round here – go get him!
Take a look at all the other things in the whole story, not just one part of it. Before the fight, one of the white kids had a gun taken away from him in another instance. The nooses and the characters including the DA have made this story what it is, and that’s where the racism comes in, as well as it being in the Old South.
Democracy Now!’s been doing features on it this week with interviews. Read them and you can draw your own conclusions.
IMO, it’s should have been handled by school board, but it wasn’t. And having Al Sharpton involved doesn’t help. But neither should a kid go to jail for ten months for a shool yard fight.
In the end, he facts matter.
Excuse me no one was discussing sentencing or what the punishment. A comment was made about 6 on 1.
No matter which way you swing that it does not mean the PERSON WHO COMMENTED is on the same platform as David Duke.
You were being insulting…
No I was not being insulting and I didn’t mean to be if you took it way.
As I said before, there’s more backstory to this than just one fight. I also recommended a site where you could get some interviews with people from that area.
Having lived in the South myself for a long time, I know pretty well what’s it’s like. Afterall, the Little Rock Nine wasn’t just a story about getting kids into school either.
But you probably shouldn’t be so thin skinned either.
I’m not particularly thin skinned but it annoys the hell out of me that a comment that SOMEONE else made about 6 on 1 thuggery by teenagers being unfair has the tacky response of placing the guy on the platform of Duke The Racist. It is that type of attitude that p*sses off fair minded individuals.
Racism exists in the black and white community…and I am sure the Oprahs, Obamas, Powells and Rices of this world have lost count of the number of times they have been accused of being white or having betrayed their African American brethren because they are getting on very nicely…
…and if I was going to teach someone a lesson it would always be one on one.
Fight fair. If you do not then don’t be surprised when gangs of the far right start to gain currency in the mainstream of life. Victimhood is not the preserve of one race only into infinity.
Elaine: if people were threatening the health and well-being of you, your friends and family, would you “fight fair”?
Here’s how I see it. If I’m fighting at all, it’s because I have been left no choice. There is a NEED to fight. And in those circumstances there is no fair. There is only fighting to WIN.
I’m not offering a verdict in a case where I haven’t seen all the evidence, but I have serious issues with the principle you’re setting forth. It suggests that I have to accord a set of concessions to somebody who clearly has no intention of playing by those same rules.
Fairness is wonderful thing to believe in, but I’m not willing to suffer or to see those I care about suffer because I’m too high-minded to do what it takes to solve a problem.
Sam:
This was a school…not a war zone. One sure way to perpetuate generations of conflict like this is to support/excuse thuggery by teenagers who choose to act in a violent manner and seek safety by going out in numbers.
Everyone in the whole world knows the story of Africa, slavery, segregation, racist behaviour (on BOTH sides). Individuals should NEVER be forgotten in the story.
Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.
There is no question mark over there being a black and white issue in this particular school. But you will never get me to agree with the principle of going out to hunt down a whitey in revenge. Because if you do then as I see it whatever semblance of civilization a country has is gone…and that is when I will believe that the USA is no longer the country that many of us still see as some sort of leading light.
….regardless of liberal, leftist views.
You are then left with groups/gangs where the strongest will survive with no recourse to law or right and wrong. Then you will have a real war.
Elaine,
You’re getting me all hot and bothered with your prosecution of your side of the point. I might let you buy drinks and dinner. If you’re nice of course. Nothing personal, but I do like a good debate.
Now, as I’ve said previously, Democracy Now! has spent Wed, Thur, and Fri looking in detail at how it all came about. The fight was only a subset of the WHOLE STORY, but the Deep South and places like Jena are steeped in racial problems even if it’s just beneath the surface. When incidents happen which started the whole chain of events, then it brings it right to the top. But it’s always there even if people are polite to each other.
So to look at it as one singular instance, is what people like David Duke are doing.
Once again, I’ll say go read the interviews and the content over at Democracy Now for this week (Wed-Fri). It’s pretty even-handed since they take an independent journalist’s eye to the story.
Just wondering – has anyone here taught in a high school? Or spent a great deal of time around teenagers in a school setting?
Does being a college professor count?
As hazardous duty? Yes, of course.
I’ve never taught college, so I can only compare my war stories with those of my professorial friends. It seems that the workings of educational bureaucracies are all depressingly similar, which is why I ignore them whenever possible, but I see two major differences that might relate to this story: the influence of the surrounding community on the school itself and the distribution of power (actual decision-making authority) among students, administration and parents/community members.
I don’t want to hijack the thread, so let me just say the people who rise to power in a local system tend to reflect the majority values and opinions of that very specific locality.
I taught high school for several years before I became a college professor. Your sense of how local administrators and officials reflect the values of the surrounding community is on the nose, euphrosyne. The attitudes of the superintendent who ordered that the noose hangers get a 3 day suspension reflects a community attitude about accusations of racism.
The fact that the DA (as documented by eyewitnesses) aimed all of his threats at black students in the audience at a school assembly (whites on one side, blacks on the other – tells one a lot about conditions in Jena, LA) says volumes about community attitudes toward blacks asserting themselves in defiance of white authority.
High school kids are adolescents with high levels of both testosterone and immaturity. That plays a role in this story.
As for those who keep pointing at the 6 against 1 issue: just remember that a black high school kid was jumped and beaten by 4 whites – grown men in their 20’s – a few days before this incident. This isn’t justification – but it offers explanation of the sort of “vigilante” mentality on both sides at that point in time.
So there is plenty of blame to go around. All anyone should ask in this case is a level playing field and similar treatment for similar crimes.
What he said.
Long memories, small community, no outside oversight – too much concentrated history for blame to be neatly divided up and parceled out. Looking for that level playing field almost has to get ugly.
Phil Russell <—- Fair minded person
DP:
I would not wish to give you cause to become hot and bothered…but if you only wish to take me out to dinner as a result and not do dastardly things then I guess I’m safe.
Vigilante mentality should be properly addressed whenever or wherever it raises its head. There were sepapate wrongs and each should be dealt with properly – justification for vigilantism is not acceptable in First World Countries.
Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework. If the locals feed into a local system that is “seen” (and perception counts for so much does it not) to be acting in an unfair manner towards blacks then by all means march about it. By all means send in inspectors. By all means use the full weight of the LAW to overturn a too brutual a punishment or set of charges that were overly harsh in the first instance. By al means move a trial out of the distrusted community…
It does not mean thuggish behaviour (and that is exactly what this was) is to be recommended as a way of solving disputes. What lesson do you want to send out to people? That in life when bad things happen to someone else you are able to legally go out and find anyone who “looks” like the enemy and assault him/her? None of us would rest easy in our beds…
Ideals, Laws and doing the right thing only work when everyone (or rather the majority) buys into the philosophy. If you start making exemptions then you begin to slide down a slippery slope….
I like a good debate too…but I really should not be commenting so much as it makes me think.
Elaine
P.S. Thinking is not illegal but maybe commenting is…
Have a good weekend.
SEPARATE.
The hanging of those nooses was treated by the government as a harmless prank. It was not a harmless prank. It was a terrorist threat, one made all too chillingly credible by history.
The people who did it are terrorists. They, and people like them, have been terrorizing the South this way for well over a century. The pattern is very well known. No one down there sees a noose hanging from a tree, and doesn’t know what it means, or what comes next in the pattern.
The government failed to arrest, let alone prosecute, the perpetrators. This is a de facto, tacit approval of their crime. The DA claimed he could find nothing to charge the perps with. He lied. Making terrorist threats is a crime. He could have prosecuted. He knew that. He didn’t do it.
The message this sent to the people of Jena was crystal clear. Not only does the government (at least tacitly) approve of white vigilantes employing terror tactics to “keep African Americans in their place,” it can also be expected do nothing whatsoever to protect the victims from these terrorists in the future. Au contrair, it can be expected to protect the perps from their victims.
In other words, when it comes to protecting us, the government is worse than useless, it’s in the way. There is a name for people who rely solely on the government for protection. They are called “victims.” Want to be a victim yourself one day? No problem. Depend solely on the government for your safety. Then wait.
What if you yourself the target of terrorists, and you knew that the government wasn’t going to protect you? What would you do? Situations like this do occur sometimes. Jena is living proof. If you found yourself in one of them, how would you deal with it?
When the terrorists struck their next blow, you could reasonably expect it to be in the form of some escalation. History is abundantly clear that this is the pattern.
History is also clear that when terrorists are tolerated, rather than prosecuted, they will strike again, and again, and again, for as long as they can keep getting away with it. So, sooner or later, you would have to decide what to do about them. Inaction is not an option. Options themselves, are severely limited. Basically, you would have only four.
You could submit to terrorism, do what the terrorists tell you to do, and hope they don’t just go ahead and lynch you anyhow, just because they know they can get away with it.
You could run away as fast as you could, leaving your home, your loved ones and everything that you have ever known and loved behind you forever, and hope against hope that the terrorists don’t catch up with you because you ran too slow, and lynch you anyway. Even if you get away, their success in terrorizing you almost certainly guarantees that they would then go on to terrorize someone else, perhaps someone you love.
You could refuse to be terrorized, stand your ground and defend yourself against their next assault as best you can.
Or you could just wait for their next assault, and when it came, as the old saying goes, “lie back and enjoy it.”
Which would you choose?
Elaine: Okay, maybe I need to better understand exactly what your argument is. Earlier I thought I heard you lobbying against “unfair” fighting, but now it seems you’ve migrated closer to a position that says violence is always wrong. But not quite – you say I could “stand my ground,” and one assumes I can swing back so long as I let them swing first?
This seems ludicrous to me. If I know somebody is coming for me, I can’t imagine why I’d wait and let them get in the first shot (either literally or figuratively). If they’re burning a cross in your yard and tossing a noose over a low limb, do you wait until they kick in the door or do you go grab the gun NOW?
So Justin Barker, the victim, is now a terrorist ? Also the kids who hung the nooses deserve a good kicking and then tried as terrorists? Let the whole community pile in and treat the kids as adult terrorists…and if they die so what.? If they survive then the government can send them to jail because they hung nooses. How about a lifetime spent in Jail. Meanwhile decorate those fine soldiers who are standing up so proudly with their fists. Do you seriously think the majority of citizens would feel safe and support such a stupid non-system of government and accountability?
Violence is not the best answer and if you ever want to educate people out of it you have to draw a line somewhere and make a stand. I have yet to read sensible reporting stating that no punishment should have been brought in the Jena 6 case. Are you saying they should not have been punished at all?
Some people write with sweeping strokes about black and white violence and initimidation. By doing so one always run the risk in a vigilante atmosphere of treating the innocent in the same way as INDIVIDUALS who commit violent acts. When people walk in fear then everyone starts joining gangs. Hardly a recipe for promoting integration and understanding. But there are people on both sides who do wish to reach out but will not.
The whole point about civilization is to learn how to be civilized. You learn that in the home and in school. Considering the violence that is prevalent in schools I doubt many figures of authority will be applauding yet more violence and advocating that using your fists (the street response) is how you get on in life.
Got to get my grievance in first better go in tooled up is always an option but the more people who use it, the less likely you are to have a country that views neighbours with trust, respect and humanity.
…of course I can see WHY they beat up a white guy. Just the same as I know why white guys have beat up a random black guy. Neither is right. Both can and do happen. Good governance does not condone it though now…or ever.
I’m not sure what Elaine and Sam are debating, but the effect of a “vigilante atmosphere” is one of the factors I was thinking about, and which Jim did an excellent job of elucidating.
I don’t know what Justin Barker is, except that he is both a victim of one crime and the perpetrator of another. And a teenager. As is Mychal Bell.
“Use every man after his desert, and who would ’scape whipping?” In order to even begin examining individual cases and administering equitable consequences, the Jena school system pretty much has to start from scratch. Good luck getting everyone involved on board with that – but you’re right, Elaine, it’s what we should strive for.
I’m going to look at the Elaine/Sam mini deabte and make a comment. Hell, I might even post on it.
First analysis of the first few comments that led up the appearance of ‘elaine’:
First this:
jerry, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:20 am Said:
when did it become racist to arrest thugs for assault by 6 on one .
Then this:
DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 10:48 am Said:
And Jerry, you’re not alone buddy.
“…More importantly, whites are increasingly victims of black racial violence and hate crimes.”
Well, you know what they say, “birds of a feather” or something like that.
The ‘elaine’ appears with her comment:
elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm Said:
Oh for goodness sakes – a comment about 6 on 1 is perfectly fair. To ascribe a racist ideology to such a comment and then linking up with a known racist crackpot is a low shot and stupid to boot.
From what I can tell, Jerry and elaine may be doppelgangers. I notice that ‘jerry’ never makes another comment, but it’s picked up right away by elaine and she runs with it like a political agenda, being very pedantic, elaborating how one ‘benign’ a comment about 6 on 1 cannot be construed as being associated with David Duke, much less being racist at all, although it occurred during an incident that is comparably the ‘Tiananmen Square’ of the united states.
Jim has covered this pretty well,
This reminds me of the way my girlfriend used to talk to me, or the catholic nun in school. You begin with some kind of praise, and then proceed to literally ream the offender a new asshole (my girlfriend figuratively, the nun literally, a la the blues brothers) but I can’t see her elaborating on how Jim covered it well. Perhaps he did so because he used the English language, or managed to stay away from Ebonics.
>>As soon as base thuggery is advocated in response to a racist environment then ALL BETS would be off whereever the races met if you were so inclined.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Does ‘base thuggery’ beget racism, or the other way around? Sounds like a simple explanation that works the same way that when Hitler send his brown shirts to ‘cleanse’ the city of Jews without any oversight to how those Jews would be treated, then the krystalnacht was not that far behind.
>>If you are a white liberal, a white Prof or white anything if someone was coming at you from a racist perspective then they would not give a moment’s thought to your character, politics or intelligence. It would be hey he’s white – they’re racist round here – go get him!
I get the feeling Elaine is a feminist (no offence to the feminists who do not take elaine’s point of view).
>>DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:57 pm Said:
Take a look at all the other things in the whole story, not just one part of it. Before the fight, one of the white kids had a gun taken away from him in another instance. The nooses and the characters including the DA have made this story what it is, and that’s where the racism comes in, as well as it being in the Old South.
You know, six on one, whether its black on white, white on black, or in the brothel down the street in and of itself is not racist. But then again, whose counting nooses here? Not elaine I guess.
>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm Said:
Excuse me no one was discussing sentencing or what the punishment. A comment was made about 6 on 1.
Translation: and that is the emotional/intellectual nexus upon which my pedantic dialogue rests, until I do start to consider punishment or sentencing, if I ever do. Watch when that happens! As one of the magicians used to say in the movie ‘The Prestige’: “Are you watching closely?”
>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 1:26 pm Said:
You were being insulting…
…For thinking dammit. Just stop thinking!!
>>DomPierre, on September 21st, 2007 at 2:03 pm Said: (among other rational things)
As I said before, there’s more backstory to this than just one fight.
trying to be rational with a woman DomPierre? (Of course, this is pure supposition. The user name ‘elaine’ implies femininity, although the little ‘e’ may be nothing more than an indication of a relationship with e.e. cummings.) I got nervous here myself however, since any attempt since man evolved to be logical or rational with anything feminine (be it a woman or a female single cell) is no f**king man’s land, which I personally have abandoned long ago.
But then again friends, my male friends especially, we all know where DomPierre screwed up, it was his bomb that…
>>>…you probably shouldn’t be so thin skinned either.
There is no hate like a woman’s…
elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:05 pm Said:
I’m not particularly thin skinned but…
>>> (You just f**ked with the WRONG VAGINA OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB MISTER!!!!)
…Duke The Racist. It is that type of attitude that p*sses off fair minded individuals.
Equation: (e^p*sses=Angry) or Elaine=fair minded individual, exponentially pissed off.
>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:05 pm Said:
…and if I was going to teach someone a lesson it would always be one on one.
Those ARE fighting words elaine. Just so ya know.
>>>Fight fair. If you do not then don’t be surprised when gangs of the far right start to gain currency in the mainstream of life.
Ahhh. methinks me little mind is broadening by the ‘our as me sit at the feet of the lady o’ the lesbians. Six on one then is not fair of course, but even given the circumstances, it should not be contrued as racist. I STAND corrected.
>>>Victimhood is not the preserve of one race only into infinity.
This statement skirts the limits of ebonics, but makes no immediate or obvious sense until it is contrasted with the previos statement:
>>>…and I am sure the Oprahs, Obamas, Powells and Rices of this world have lost count of the number of times they have been accused of being white or having betrayed their African American brethren because they are getting on very nicely…
Ah yes, the blacks are playing the victim again me lady. But who can argue when the shadow mirrors the substance so closely? Are individuals rights being abused, or is it merely life imitating art imitating life imitating elaine’s clear perspective on life in general?
>>>Sam Smith, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:35 pm Said: (Something rational, that doomed him in the same manner as it did DomPierre) …Fairness is wonderful thing to believe in, but I’m not willing to suffer or to see those I care about suffer because I’m too high-minded to do what it takes to solve a problem.
Ohhhhhhhhhh Shit. Sam just implied and/or likened (by accident or design) elaine’s perspctive and pedantic manner that arose from the comment of 6 on 1 as being, ‘high minded’. As a physics major, I spent my last internship building a device that will help not only DomPierrre and Sam Smith, but all men. I call it ‘The Estrogenometer’ and it automatically translates a woman’s perspective into man-view, so he can see exactly what she is saying or hearing.
I shall demonstrate thusly: I take Sam’s statement of ‘high mindedness’ and insert it into the ‘Estrogenometer’ (Which by the way can be purchased in four easy payments of $399.95) and lo and behold, out comes the translation:
>>>elaine: how dare you suggest that my logic, the pinnacle that man has ever achieved is nothing more than high mindedness, suggesting before this clod of morons that I, elaine, can possibly be out of touch with reality in any way shape or form? This means way mister!
>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said:
Sam:
This was a school…not a war zone. One sure way to perpetuate generations of conflict like this is to support/excuse thuggery by teenagers who choose to act in a violent manner and seek safety by going out in numbers.
Well cut my foot off and call me Kunta Kinte!!! So that’s what slavery was: thuggery!!! Racism was not perpetuated by white supremacists, who wanted a perfect race, god playing individuals who sought to dehumanize human beings through rape, torture and murder; it was merely thuggery!!! Why in God’s name was this not nipped in the bud immediately?
>>>Everyone in the whole world knows the story of Africa, slavery, segregation, racist behaviour (on BOTH sides). Individuals should NEVER be forgotten in the story.
And with the Jena 6 incident, they know even more.
>>>Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.
See Sam, I told you this was coming, you woman beater you!!! Where are your manners!!?? I am now stripping you of your title as ’scrogue’!
>>>>There is no question mark over there being a black and white issue in this particular school.
????/Black white issue
>>>>But you will never get me to agree with the principle of going out to hunt down a whitey in revenge.
How about hunting down a blackey in revenge?
>>>Because if you do then as I see it whatever semblance of civilization a country has is gone…and that is when I will believe that the USA is no longer the country that many of us still see as some sort of leading light.
with elaine leading of course
>>>You are then left with groups/gangs where the strongest will survive with no recourse to law or right and wrong. Then you will have a real war.
Is it just me, or is this how racism always starts, with gangs and thuggery to begin with? Or am I just not seeing it?
>>>>DomPIerre, on September 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm Said:
Elaine,
You’re getting me all hot and bothered with your prosecution of your side of the point.
And not in any way that, at least, makes a satisfying conversation, aye Dom?
>>>Jim Booth, on September 21st, 2007 at 8:08 pm Said:
I taught high school for several years before I became a college professor.
(Sigh) if it was only relevant here. (For explanation, simply insert into the Estrogenometer)
>>>>DomPIerre, on September 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm Said:
Elaine,
You’re getting me all hot and bothered with your prosecution of your side of the point.
elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:
DP:
I would not wish to give you cause to become hot and bothered…
Sitcoms on FOX TV aren’t as good as this. I won’t type what I’m thinking, but I hope I still have friendships after this…
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:
DP:
I would not wish to give you cause to become hot and bothered…but if you only wish to take me out to dinner as a result and not do dastardly things then I guess I’m safe.
Because Dom, the way you’re talking, it sounds like anything could happen. But I’m not one to stand in the way of a blossoming relationship. For goodness sake elaine, his name is Dom Pierre; do you think that there may be some pleasure somewhere in that?
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:
DP:
Vigilante mentality should be properly addressed whenever or wherever it raises its head.
(like on this blog perhaps?)
>>>>Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework
Of racism
>>>>If the locals feed into a local system that is “seen” (and perception counts for so much does it not) to be acting in an unfair manner towards blacks then by all means march about it.
Yes, “seen” makes sense of course? Don’t want to overtly draw conclusions that RACISM of all things might exist; after all,
>>>There were sepapate wrongs and each should be dealt with properly – justification for vigilantism is not acceptable in First World Countries.
Empasis on, Firstly: First; Second: World; Third: Country: Like? USA
>>>>It does not mean thuggish behaviour (and that is exactly what this was) is to be recommended as a way of solving disputes. What lesson do you want to send out to people? That in life when bad things happen to someone else you are able to legally go out and find anyone who “looks” like the enemy and assault him/her? None of us would rest easy in our beds…
So, to commence: in order to rest easy in your beds, you simple minded bunch of narcissistic, estrogen-less, prone to violence, conclusion jumping pro thuggery male blog posters, simply say your prayers at night, and eat your vegetables. And while you ar going to bed, let your minds be filled with this thought”
>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said:
>>>Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.
In fact, why not ask your own wives, who obviously must live in fear of you?
>>>>Ideals, Laws and doing the right thing only work when everyone (or rather the majority) buys into the philosophy.
My goodness. I so misunderstood the KKK who left the burning cross in front of my yard. Why didn’t they buy into the idea that I was a human being? Or was it being black that they weren’t buying into? maybe I should have bought into that swimming pool of clorox bleach that so called door to door KKK salesman was trying to sell me the other day. In fact, I think he might get better sales than my Estrogenometer.
>>>If you start making exemptions then you begin to slide down a slippery slope….
Of reality perhaps?
>>>P.S. Thinking is not illegal but maybe commenting is…
Self explanatory(?)
>>>>Sam Smith, on September 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 am Said:
Elaine: Okay, maybe I need to better understand exactly what your argument is.
No my dear brother Sam, you’re just not getting it. What you really need, as I and all other men do as well, is to be be beaten across the head with a tholus dipped in the perpetual Effervescent pool of estrogenic intelligence. Only then will you have the capacity to fully appreciate that there is not argument here, at least not one that leads to any real coherent conclusion based in anything remotely resembling reality. It is nothing more than a Siren song leading one down the garden path toward the shaprd crags of a pointless philosophy based in the n’th dimension.
I won’t even try to contrast the paternal instinct of paternal protection with the maternal one.
THIS IS THE LAST COMMENT YA’LL!!!!
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 am Said:
So Justin Barker, the victim, is now a terrorist ?
Now Sam, if you’re wondering where the term ‘terrorist’ entered into the argument, it was inferred from your comment…
I>>>f they’re burning a cross in your yard and tossing a noose over a low limb, do you wait until they kick in the door or do you go grab the gun NOW?
It has been said that this is an emasculating society,a nd a man’s manhood will effectively be argued into the ground, time and again, because, you know, as me, our essence is the primary source of violence/thuggery/bad posting that causes us to descend from the lofty example of First, World, and Country, right back down the slippery slope to run into nothing else other than….manhood.
>>>Meanwhile decorate those fine soldiers who are standing up so proudly with their fists.
This must mean the black panthers, the black people with fists. What the hell do they want anyway? A boxing glove, or a baseball mitt?
>>>>Do you seriously think the majority of citizens would feel safe and support such a stupid non-system of government and accountability?
Why, it would almost be like having the KKK running around terrorizing black things!!! Not to mention that the CIA and FBI didn’t put the KKK under survellance until 1965. (EINSTEIN ON RACE AND RACISM By Fred Jerome and Rodger Taylor) Talk about lack of accountability!!!
(black things, not black people, becuase I can infer from the tenor of the argument that only a thing trapped in jail after a 6 on 1 incident could be looked at so coldly and clinically.)
>>>Violence is not the best answer and if you ever want to educate people out of it you have to draw a line somewhere and make a stand.
For certain people of course.
>>>Some people write with sweeping strokes about black and white violence and initimidation.
The first statement makes no assertion whatsoever to the second claim. Also, where did this vigilante atmosphere start? Thuggery again? Testosterone? People saying that a 6 on 1 fight is racist?
>>>By doing so one always run the risk in a vigilante atmosphere of treating the innocent in the same way as INDIVIDUALS who commit violent acts.
‘Innocent’ and ‘INDIVIDUALS’ are also likewise synonymous, with no clear distinction of who is, unless I guess this refers to the white kid who was beat up by the six.
>>>When people walk in fear then everyone starts joining gangs.
Unfortunately, in the black community which is a minority within the larger white majority, sort of like…
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:
DP:
Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework.
With the words ‘minority’ and ‘community’ indicating that they are black people, human beings, homosapiens, etc. and all the dynamic that those words connotate, the gangs cannot fight the injustices of the government, because that would be a civil war, like the REAL one. the gangs have the biggest impact on the black community itself.
>>>>Hardly a recipe for promoting integration and understanding.
Kinda like this diatribe so far….
>>>>But there are people on both sides who do wish to reach out but will not.
That statement makes sense. Thus, that statement couldn’t have come from elaine. Therefore, it must have been her/it/the alter ego, ‘jerry’ the male side, appearing in a sporadic gesture of self expression and male identity. RIP jerry.
>>>The whole point about civilization is to learn how to be civilized. You learn that in the home and in school. Considering the violence that is prevalent in schools I doubt many figures of authority will be applauding yet more violence and advocating that using your fists (the street response) is how you get on in life.
The street response. Don’t you mean, ‘male testosterone filled response? Or could it be the ‘black people getting uppity after having family members raped – burning cross left in yard as a thoghtful hallmark thank you card’ response? Go figure…
>>>>Got to get my grievance in first better go in tooled up is always an option but the more people who use it, the less likely you are to have a country that views neighbours with trust, respect and humanity.
Like in Jena, maybe…
>>>>…of course I can see WHY they beat up a white guy.
Oh, NOW YOU TELL US!!!!
>>>Just the same as I know why white guys have beat up a random black guy. Neither is right. Both can and do happen.
Randomly, we may all be sure, though testosterone may not necessarily be summarily excluded. It’s just a guy thing I guess. Good to know I have something in common with white guys, other than, you know, the crazy idea that I think I might be human like one of them.
>>>Good governance does not condone it though
That probably being the good governance that has a healthy dollop of estrogen, you war mongering mindless twits!!! (Myself included, of course)
>>>now…or ever.
So youz guyz better stop this violent thinking, this instant! Or you’re grounded!!! Because I won’t stand for it!!! Now…or ever!!!!
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 8:56 am Said:
So Justin Barker, the victim, is now a terrorist ?
I think she inferred this from your previous comment Sam, of:
>>>Sam Smith, on September 22nd, 2007 at 7:05 am Said:
If they’re burning a cross in your yard and tossing a noose over a low limb, do you wait until they kick in the door or do you go grab the gun NOW?
>>>>Meanwhile decorate those fine soldiers who are standing up so proudly with their fists.
I think she means the black panthers. What the hell do they want? A boxing glove or baseball mitt?
>>>Do you seriously think the majority of citizens would feel safe and support such a stupid non-system of government and accountability?
My God! It would be like having the KKK running around terrorizing people, now wouldn’t it? I read in EINSTEIN ON RACE AND RACISM (By Fred Jerome and Rodger Taylor) that the KKK was not under FBI or CIA surveillance until 1965. Could the KKK possible have been a “stupid non-system of government and accountability?”
>>>Violence is not the best answer and if you ever want to educate people out of it you have to draw a line somewhere and make a stand. I have yet to read sensible reporting stating that no punishment should have been brought in the Jena 6 case. Are you saying they should not have been punished at all?
Like the KKK haven’t on so many occasions? Why I wouldn’t let those pickaninny’s go free if….
>>>>Some people write with sweeping strokes about black and white violence and initimidation. By doing so one always run the risk in a vigilante atmosphere of treating the innocent in the same way as INDIVIDUALS who commit violent acts.
The first statement in no way confirms the second. Where by the way did the vigilante atmosphere come from? The KKK? Jesus? Dimpled f**king chads? Postal Service Workers? Also, ‘the innocent’ is synonymous with individuals; but of course, the way the statement is couched, it is up to the commenter to reserve just who is innocent, and probably who is an individual.
>>>>When people walk in fear then everyone starts joining gangs. Hardly a recipe for promoting integration and understanding.
And when one group is smaller than the larger group, then those gangs terrorize individuals in the smaller group, such as they do in the black community. If the black community were not in the minority, then the gangs would have been big enough to cause a civil war, like the real one, or the revolt in Haiti. When I say smaller group in a larger one it is kind of like this…
>>>elaine, on September 22nd, 2007 at 3:09 am Said:
DP: Jena is a local place but sits within a larger framework.
With emphasis on the place being made up of people, human beings, Homo sapiens and, yes, even estrogen AND testosterone.
>>>>The whole point about civilization is to learn how to be civilized. You learn that in the home and in school. Considering the violence that is prevalent in schools I doubt many figures of authority will be applauding yet more violence and advocating that using your fists (the street response) is how you get on in life.
The street response eh? Or could it be the ‘black people pissed because my family got raped and the KKK left a burning cross in my yard as a thoughtful hallmark thank you gift’ response? Jesus tap dancing muthaf**king Christ!!!
>>>>Got to get my grievance in first better go in tooled up is always an option but the more people who use it, the less likely you are to have a country that views neighbours with trust, respect and humanity.
Kinda like Jena is exemplifying… You violent, testosterone filled warmongering twits!!! (Myself included of course)
>>>>…of course I can see WHY they beat up a white guy.
OH, SO NOW YOU TELL US!!!
>>>Just the same as I know why white guys have beat up a random black guy. Neither is right. Both can and do happen.
Just like the Sun rising, or the rain falling. Or a cow shitting a nice, mother Teresa resembling cow patty in an unmonitored field, which begs the question that it a cow does lay a holy cow chip in a field, is it paid homage? Then again, testosterone must not be summarily ruled out of the equation, cow patty or no.
>>>Good governance does not condone it though
Unless you’re black and the KKK is out to get you…
>>>now…or ever.
So stop this boyish, violent prone manner of thinking and eat your vegetables, say your prayers, and go to bed. And by they way, if there is nothing else that you take away from me ‘elaine’, take this; while in bed, let your small male minds, if they are big enough to hold the concept, be filled with these two thoughts:
>>>elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 12:10 pm Said: If you are a white liberal, a white Prof or white anything if someone was coming at you from a racist perspective then they would not give a moment’s thought to your character, politics or intelligence. It would be hey he’s white – they’re racist round here – go get him!
Which would happen because this is the way non racist blacks think about whites, who obviously in the example are never racist, just victims of someone else’s twisted thinking. And…
>>> elaine, on September 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm Said: Perhaps, you should ask why women do not gang up on men more often and hand out beatings. Their history in this world has often been horrific.
Which was my estrogenic point to this mindless diatribe the whole doggone time!!!!
WTF!!!
That’s it for now. What an emasculating….
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Just now read nessie’s post – how could I have missed it?
For what it’s worth, I can tell you that overtly threatening, recurring acts of racism, sexism and homophobia occur every day on public school campuses, often witnessed by teachers and administrators who collaborate by refusing to act. Been there. Seen it. And more often than not, the victims refuse to report the abuse to school authorities, because they are acutely aware of who is usually believed and who is usually blamed, as well as the danger if the persecutors get away with it once again and come looking for them…
True euphrosune1115. In dealing with the headaches of ensuring fairness in the faculty/student relationship here on campus, most of the students feel the same way, and these are, technically, ‘adults’ who have every opportunity to hire an attorney.
It’s a wild world we live in eh?
MOST OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. the point is that when it occurred, these high school boys (jena 6) were being charged as adults. ADULT. SO, why do black boys get charged as adults as most white boys with the same type of incident, WHICH IS A HIGH SCHOOL FIGHT, do not get charged as adults.
if you agree with that, then ALL HIGH SCHOOL BOYS AND GIRLS ARE ADULT ENOUGH TO MAKE DECISIONS. if they are, then all men can date all the 15 year old girls they want as long as they consent because THEY ARE ADULTS.
america has to make up its mind about what is an adult once and for all. it can’t be made up along the way. does american put a boy in a man’s prison for a fight????
if the answer is yes, then all the white boys must go too, and all the girls too. hell, let’s start at six years of age and put the little sobs in adult prison.